i saw them live at warped tour. I don't want to be disrespectful to them since their tragedy, but they sucked live. I had heard some of their stuff before i went to see them, so i was on the fence on whether i liked them or not. Their live performance turned me away from them completely. they played the songs exactly the way they sounded on CD, but that was it. when i see a band live, i expect them to act live and enjoy themselves. going to see hawthorne live at warped tour was the exact same thing as surronding yourself with a few hundred sweating people on a hot july day when 1/4 of them weren't wearing deodorant and holding a cd player next to your head on full blast... they just didn't know how to have fun and enjoy the crowd