LET'S BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES FOR A BIT....

Marcus4600

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Yeah, this game is fun. The gun action is perfect, and the multiplayer actually has something that keeps you coming back for more, but there's a few things that COD4 has massive problems with. Here's my listing:

Single player:

1. Since when has the SAS done Wetwork? If they wanted a division of any military for that purpose, use the SEALS.
2. British military doesn't use the M4. They use the Bullpup assault rifle. You can't really claim realism and then not be realistic to the guns used.
3. WTF with reinforcements coming out of mid air? Try this out on the first stage of Act III. Shoot one of your disposable Brits (not Gaz, smartalec). Watch another one who wasn't with you at the beginning just appear out of nowhere for no reason whatsoever. :confused:
4. No soldier carries 10 grenades on him, ever.
5. Raggedy-a$$ Arab commies aren't marksman, especially with an AK-47.

Multiplayer:
Overarching problem - it's turned into a campfest. I've heard they're going to replace the word "kills" with "S'mores."

So, good game and all, but we all need to admit that Infinity Ward can do much much better.
 

XGC Danielson

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haha raggedy a$$ arab commies lol like it, most of what you are saying i agree with but i think the reason its so good is because you have the choice of what to use and do every second of the multiplayer section, er perks etc. i hate people that camp like hoes but there aint no way infinty ward would ever be able to stop it u know.
 

XGC Halcyon

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Yeah, this game is fun. The gun action is perfect, and the multiplayer actually has something that keeps you coming back for more, but there's a few things that COD4 has massive problems with. Here's my listing:

Single player:

1. Since when has the SAS done Wetwork? If they wanted a division of any military for that purpose, use the SEALS.
2. British military doesn't use the M4. They use the Bullpup assault rifle. You can't really claim realism and then not be realistic to the guns used.

heres a few things i saw wrong in that mate

1. How do you know the SAS dont do wetwortk when everything they do is censored? you cant even look at a photo of them without blurs on thier faces, and 60% of thier training is top secret.

2. you play as the SAS, and they have access to all sorts of weaponry for what it requires at the time, like MP5's. you think they'd use thier own SA80's?
 

CAPOS SNOW

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The Special Activities Staff (SAS)

The Special Activities Staff (SAS) is one of the least known covert units operating on behalf of the US Government. Operating in teams as large as 12, or as small as one, the SAS is considered to be among the world's top special operations units. SAS personnel have been described as being particularly skilled in counterterrorist/hostage rescue operations, and are said to capable of "taking down" any type of vehicle, aircraft, ship, building, or facility.

The SAS provides a pool from which the various divisions within the Agency may draw trained personnel to form a Special Operations Group, or SOG. SOG's are short-term teams that carry out paramilitary operations such as sabotage; friendly personnel/material recovery; threat personnel/material snatches; bomb damage assessment (BDA); counterterrorist (CT) operations; raids; hostage rescues, and other activities as directed by the President.

Candidates for the SAS are primarily drawn from two sources. The first of these is the US military's Special Mission Units (SMUs) such as the Army's Combat Applications Group (CAG) better known as "Delta Force" ( the 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta), as well as the US Navy's Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU-formerly known as SEAL Team SIX). Other prospective candidates are drawn from former members of elite military units such as the USMC's Force Reconnaissance units; the US Army Special Forces; and Navy's SEAL teams, or from within the ranks of the Agency itself.

A SOG detachment would be comprised of members from one, or more the SAS's three sections, which include a Ground Branch, Air Branch, and Maritime Branch, depending upon the needs of the SOG, and its mission tasking. Once organized, a SOG would travel to its selected Area of Operations (AO), and execute its mission as directed by the DDO through the local Chief of Station, or whomever was tasked with carrying out the operation.

One successful operation conducted by the SAS occurred during Operation Desert Shield. During the operation a lone SAS operative repeatedly penetrated Iraqi defense in and around Kuwait City in order to deliver, and retrieve intelligence material from the besieged US Embassy. In another operation SAS operators, along with US Navy SEALs, were involved in the covert mining of Nicaraguan harbors during the 1980s.

Air Branch

Air Branch is a descendent of such groups as Air America, Southern Air Transport, and Evergreen Air. Air Branch provides all of the Agency's covert aviation assets, with both fixed and rotary wing aircraft being available for use. Reportedly there is virtually no type of aircraft that SAS Air Branch personnel cannot operate. Some Air Branch pilots are culled from the ranks of the US Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment.

Air Branch has provided personnel for such diverse undertakings as "Sea Spray" (A covert Army/CIA aviation unit), the covert arming of the Nicaraguan Contras, and the resupply of UNITA rebels in Angola.

Maritime Branch

Maritime Branch is primarily composed of former Navy SEALs from both "regular" blue water SEAL Teams and the counterterrorist DEVGRU, and USMC Force Reconnaissance personnel. Maritime Branch personnel receive training similar to that of Ground Branch operators, but with a greater training emphasis on amphibious/waterborne activities. Maritime Branch operators receive training in conducting operations such as jet-ski reconnaissance and hostage rescue operations along hostile shorelines.

One example of these activities occured during the early 80's, when Maritime Branch personnel trained Nicaraguan Contras to use of high speed boats for attacks against Sandanita shipping. They also stood by to launch underwater sabotage attacks against ships docked in Managua's harbor. Another example occurred in early 1991. This time Maritime Branch operators instructed US military SOF in the use of modified jet skis for a possible hostage rescue mission during Operation Desert Storm.

The amphibious skills of Maritime Branch personnel are sometimes duplicated within Ground Branch, due to the fact that many Ground Branch operators are already combat diver or scout-swimmer qualified.



Ground Branch

Ground Branch personnel are the most diversely trained group of all SAS personnel, receiving training at various civilian and military courses, with particular attention being given to the use of small arms. Training is known to include instruction in the following areas: assessing threat types; intelligence gathering; room entry techniques; tactical communications (covert radios, infrared, microwave transmitters, etc.); levels of force; use of the baton; armed and unarmed crowd control; edged weapons; unarmed combat techniques; team training and leadership; individual and team movements; structure penetration; boarding and securing vessels; prisoner search/ snatch and handling; hostage situation management; small unit tactics; long range reconnaissance and patrol; explosives; field medicine; extreme environment survival; and land, sea and airborne operations.

Small arms instruction is provided using a wide variety of weapons, ranging from pistols and shotguns, to rifles and carbines. CQB shooting skills, sniping, and countersniping are all considered vital skills and are emphasized thoughout operator training. Civilian training centers such as John Shaw's Mid South School, TEES, BSR, and Gunsite are known to frequently play host to SAS personnel.

Another important area of Ground Branch operator training is advanced automobile handling (evasive, high-speed emergency driving). Students learn how to drive virtually any type of vehicle under any condition, both during daylight and at night, with or without night observation devices (NODs). They also receive instruction on how to use the car as a weapon, should the need ever arise. These skills, along with related techniques, are known collectively as Tactical Vehicle Commandeering (TVC) and are learned both at civilian academies and by G8: Training Division.

All Ground Branch personnel are required to undertake every class offered by OTR that has anything to do with small arms, vehicles, terrorism, or covert fieldcraft. While such training obviously enhances the individual operator's personal skill level, a secondary reason for such training is the fact that Ground Branch personnel will, at some point in their career, have to serve as an instructor at a CIA or government run training facility.


SAS Training

Those individuals who pass the initial SAS selection phase, which is based on a modified version of the CAG (Delta)/Special Air Service (SAS) selection course, and accepted into the group, are then selected for one of the three operational sections. Upon arrival, the new operator will under take a wide variety of civilian and military training courses, to help develop the skills necessary for the demanding tasks that may be asked of him.

Established during World War II as a training base for U.S. Navy Seabees, the 10,000 acre Camp Peary training center, which is also known as the Special Training Center (STC) or "The Farm", is used by DO for a wide variety of training. The STC's primary training focus is on basic tradecraft skills such as weapons handling, explosives, infiltration and exfiltration technique. It is not unusual for students attending the Basic Operations Course (required of all Case Officers) to travel to nearby Williamsburg to practice their skills in a real-world environment. Yet, while numerous films and novels have portrayed "The Farm" as the ultimate training ground for the Agency's paramilitary operators, this is in fact, not the case. For advanced instruction in other skills, such as breaking into buildings undetected (sureptitious entry); stealing and photographing documents or equipment; "snatch and grab" techniques (recovery of a friendly or hostile individual); CQB, intelligence gathering, and a course known as AET, or Applied Explosive Techniques (which is popular with US Navy SEALs), students travel to the" Point" which is located outside of Elizabeth City, North Carolina.

The Harvey Point Defense Testing Activity was originally constructed during World War II to serve as a base for anti-submarine patrol blimps operating along the Eastern seaboard, acts as an advanced training center for Agency, US military, and friendly special mission/operations units. One known example of this occurred when Agency personnel provided instruction to the US Secret Service (USSS) in Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) techniques. Both the EOD and the above mentioned AET courses are managed by a group within the Agency's Department of Science and Technology known as the Special Activities Division (SAD).

Civilian facilities also play a major role in SAS operator training. The West Virginia-based ITI provides instruction for select US government specialty teams, such as the Agency's SNAP teams, CAT teams and the SAS. ITI also supplies Counterterror Surveillance instructors for the CTTC course. There is also another school, located in West Point Virginia, that teaches Agency specialty teams. The Mid-South Institute of Self Defense Shooting near Memphis, TN is known to be frequented by SAS personnel. Of all the civilian facilities, however, G8: Training Division, a private sector company, provides the preponderance of SAS training, and thus bears closer discussion.

Formed in 1981under the direction of an EOD-qualified retired Navy SEAL, and a CIA paramilitary officer, G8 trains US government personnel in "black arts", such as CQB, tradecraft, surveillance, sniping,and other clandestine skills . G8's was originally based in the valley of Aina Haina, on the island of Oahu, in the city of Honolulu, Hawaii. In 1982 G8 moved to the mainland United States, and in a short period of time, primarily due to a growing relationship with the CIA, grew to a full-fledged training group, capable of hosting a steady flow of paramilitary personnel. As the number of students increased, so did the quantity and quality of instructors. Today, G8's staff includes not only former SAS personnel, but former military personnel from variety of units, including the US Army Special Operations Command (USASOC); US Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM); the 20th Special Forces Group; the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School (JFKSWCS), and the US Army's 75th Ranger Regiment.



Vehicle Training

An important part of SAS training includes the operation of motor vehicles in both permissive and non-permissive environments. The basic driving course called CTTC (Countering Terrorist Tactics Course) or in Agency slang as the "Crash and Bang" course, is taught at CampPerry. This course is required for any CIA personnel being sent to a potentially hostile area. During the course the traineeis qualified in the use of the Browning 9mm, .38 Special revolver, and Winchester 1200 12-gauge shotgun. It also introduces the student to basic counterterror driving techniques, and counterterror awareness/counter surveillance techniques. For the highly trained Ground Branch personnel such techniques are elementary, however they are still required to attend the course due to the fact they will later return as course instructors.

SAS vehicle training is broken down into several categories:

TVC is a course designed for individuals who may have to escape from hostile territory by quickly acquiring a vehicle. The training focuses on vehicle types and selection, improvising tools, overcoming security devices, and driving away. This course is followed by the more advanced Tactical Vehicle Interception (TVI), which teaches how to stop a moving auto using one, two or more vehicles or firearms.

The Evasive Driving Module (EDM) is for operators who might come under attack while operating a motor vehicle. Whether the attack be an attempted carjacking, kidnapping, or terrorist assassination, the response is the same, to get out of the situation quickly. The goal is to train the driver how to use his vehicle as a means of escape or weapon for survival. The driver will learn what a car is capable of and most importantly, his own limits. He will be shown how hard it is to stop a moving vehicle, and he will conduct a series of exercises where instructors actually try to run the driver off the road. The driver will be taught evasive maneuvers such as forward and reverse spins and ramming. Training is brought together through realistic situational exercises where the student comes under different types of attack and is challenged to react.

The following is a sample EDM training schedule that provides a look at the areas of focus:



SCHEDULE

0900-1000 Barricade Breaching and Drivable Terrain

Ramming through a car that is blocking your path both forward and in reverse. Driving off the road as a means of escape.



1000-1100 Evasive Maneuvers

Forward and reverse 180-degree turns including limited space and curved road scenarios.



1100-1200 Vehicle Intervention Practical

The Precision Immobilization Technique (PIT) is the most efficient and safest way to stop a fleeing vehicle. Students are shown this maneuver so they know how to defend against it.



1200-1300 Lunch



1300-1330 Attack Recognition Lecture

The importance of being mentally prepared in order to execute an escape maneuver.



1330-1400 Forward and Reverse 180-Degree Turn Practice



1400-1500 Barricade Confrontations Practical

Students come under simulated attack and must choose and execute the correct escape maneuver.



1500-1700 Defensive Line

Protection from being stopped while fleeing from an attacker. Students come under attack through actual contact exercises and are required to use their automobile as a weapon to protect themselves.



Advanced Driver Training (ADT)

Then there is Advanced Driver Training (ADT) module, which is actually the cornerstone of all advanced driving courses. It is the module by which all courses are built upon and a stand-alone course itself. This training teaches the student how to be a better, more confident driver. The laws of Vehicle Dynamics determine how and why a vehicle reacts as it does when in motion. These factors and the driver's interrelationship with them are practiced in an evolving series of exercises. A sample training schedule follows:



SCHEDULE

0900-0930 Vehicle Dynamics Lecture I

Understanding the driver/vehicle relationship. Vehicle language, driving form, weight transfer, ocular driving, threshold braking and off-road recoveries.



0930-1030 Vehicle Dynamics Practical I

Students practice these skills through serpentine and emergency braking exercises. Surprise off-road recoveries are conducted throughout the day.



1030-1100 Vehicle Dynamics Lecture II

Skid control and spin recovery. Understanding oversteer and understeer, and how they are controlled. How tire pressure affects performance and how to prevent blowouts.



1100-1200 Vehicle Dynamics Practical II

Skid control (oversteer and understeer) and advanced emergency threshold braking.



1200-1300 Lunch



1300-1330 Vehicle Dynamics Lecture III

Understanding multiple dynamics, braking, braking in curves, and swerving-to-avoid obstacles.



1330-1430 Vehicle Dynamics Practical III

Emergency braking in turns and swerve-to-avoid obstacles.



1430-1500 Technical Drive and Mental Aspects Lecture

The laws of vehicle dynamics are applied to allow vehicle control at above highway speeds. Techniques of stress management are discussed.



1500-1600 Technical Drive Practical

The laws of vehicle dynamics are applied to maintain control at emergency speeds.



1600-1700 Technical Drive Final

Students are asked to drive at emergency speeds under pressure, applying acquired skills.



After Sunset Night Drive Lecture

The limitations of vision and lighting. This exercise is only conducted during security courses.



One Hour Night Drive Practical

Technical driving skills are applied along with visual limitations.
 

XGC Halcyon

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The Special Activities Staff (SAS)

The Special Activities Staff (SAS) is one of the least known covert units operating on behalf of the US Government.

You got the wrong SAS..... if you havent noticed, the game has 2 units. the USMC, and the SAS (british Special Air Service). couldnt you tell from the british accents?
 

CAPOS SNOW

New member
if your going to be that way fine!!!!! here is some more info for you!

The British SAS is one of the best counter insurgency forces in the world today, however until recently very little was known about the SAS, infact, very few people actually knew there was even such a team!. This is the History of the Special Air Service

The concept of the SAS was though of David Sterling, in WWII, 1941, while he was recovering from a parachute accident in hosptal. The idea was to creat a desert raiding force, that worked in teams of 4 or 5 highly trained and motivated soldiers.


Stirling received the permission that he required, and took 100 men, most already commondo's, and gave them hard training in endurance and weapons. The newly formed SAS's first mission was in November, 1941, where due to bad weather and other circumstances, only 22 out of 66 soldiers survived. Lessons were learned and adjustments were made to vehicle's and equipment.

The second raid took place in December, 1941, with 12 men. This time they were succesfull, and managed to destroy 24 planes, and a fuel depot


The winged dagger, with the motto "Who Dares Wins", was initially worn on a white beret, which was later changed to a sandy color.
This is where the SAS's History, and how they have become one of the most feared counter insurgency teams in the world.

The SAS selection is one of the hardest, and most grueling in the world. It consists of three basic phases. The first phase, Fitness and navigation, being the hardest, with the largest drop out. The second phase, Jungle Training in Brunei, and finally combat survival, including escape tactics and interrogation.

Phase I
Endurance Phase:
The selection course begins with a week long BFT, (Battle Fitness Course), 3 mile run, the first mile and a half must be completed in 12 and a half minutes, the rest in your own time. The next 5-6 days consist of basic map revision, orienteering, gym work and 5 mile runs. 8 Mile cross country runs are also done, with candidates required to finish in 1 hour. At the end of the first week the candidates face their first real test: The Fan dance


The Fan Dance
The fan dance consists of: carrying a 32 Pound bergen over a route of 24km. Easy?well think about this then:
Your day starts at 4am, and ends at 10.30pm, and marches range from 15-64km, which means going up, and then all the way down, and then all the way up again and so on, carrying bergens weighing 40-60 pounds! This also includes a few night marches.

To add to the problem, you are never told when the cut off time is and just have to keep up with the DS, or get RTU'd, (return to unit). However, if a candidate who has been doing well suddenly has a bad day, he may receive a 'gypsy's warning', one more bad day and they are told to report to platform 4, basically you've been RTU'd. Still think this is easy?


Test Week
This is what all the hard work leads to: a series of 24-64km marches, all over the Brecon Beacons, followed by the hand drawn map march, and finally the endurance march, which takes twenty hours to complete!
After this the candidates are gathered together and told if they have passed this phase or not.

The survivors are then sent for continuation training, where they are trained on the Special Air Service weapons, as well as eastern block weapons. The physical hasn't ended with test week as they are expected to keep fit and do gym work, and are tested for their mental abilities, language aptitude as well as mensa tests. this is all done to see if a candidate can adjust to the SAS way of doing things.

Phase II:- Jungle Phase
This phase takes place in Brunei, at the British army jungle training school. Imagine six weeks without a shower? Imagine six weeks without a shower or a shave in the middle of a tropical jungle? Thats what the jungle phase is all about!

The candidates are split into patrols of four and are taught all the jungle tactics they would need, from how to build a basha, (a lean-to), navigation, jungle and contact drills, explosives, clearing landing zone and so on...

Often more than half of the men fail the jungle phase!


Combat Survival:
One month of training, living off the land, whilst using evasion and escape techniques. Lessons in how to evade and escape, interrogation techniques from people who have been tortured, or other experiences.

The final weak is simply a survival week. Easy, survive for a week off the land! Easy? Well, try surviving in a Greatcoat while being hunted down by Gurkhas and Para's, when you know that when you are caught you are going to be interrogated!

When you are caught,you are blind folded kept in awkward positions and interrogated for 48 hours.A candidate can only say 4 things: name, rank, number and date of birth. The only other thing a candidate can say is, "I cannot answer that question"

If you pass every stage, you then get your SAS beret, and are put on a one year probation.

Once selection is completed the training does not stop there. The soldiers are then sent to their respective troops, Montain troop, Mobility troop or Boat troop, this is is simply done by which ever troop has openings. They then under go Special training which includes, Parachuting, (all SAS soldiers have to do this), medical training, advanced weapons training etc...

HALO, (High Altitude, Low Opening) parachuting is the main technique taught. Over six weeks they will jump about 40 times over Britain and France, from about 12000 Feet, advancing up to 25000 feet. Sounds simple enough? Well try this then, during the first 12 seconds of the jump you will drop 1480 Feet, reaching terminal velocity of 120mph!

As Peter Radcliffe explains in his book, "Eye of the storm" it is extremely difficult to remain in the Starfish shape, thus being stable enough to deploy your parachute. Imagine driving your car at 120mph, (192Kmh), and putting your hand out your window! Now imagine the effect that has on your whole body, where even the slightest movement will throw your body all over the place!


Boat Troop do a lot of night navigation 25 miles out to sea, on rubber Gemini's. This to sounds easy enough, but spending up to 5 or 6 hours a night in the freezing sea water is definitely not my idea of fun! It is however essential that the SAS are able to operate in any area, climate and situation, whether it is in the dessert or the freezing ocean.

And so this is why boat troop spend hours upon hours training in night navigation at sea, diving, underwater explosives, possible the most dangerous for of explosives, medical care, insertions into hostile territory from sea, the list goes on..


Then of course there is Medical training at hospitals in and around Britain. It is essential that every soldier knows medical procedures, for obvious reasons. The SAS spend a month in a ER, learning and practicing the necessary skills, like gunshot wounds, burns etc..

They will also get the opportunity to spend about a week in a morgue, doing post-mortom examination and examinations of the human body. The other obvious skill that the SAS require, is to hostage rescue.

Despite all the rumors about the SAS, especially the weapons they use, the SAS don't have their weapons customized, nor do they use their personal weapons on missions. All SAS soldiers use standard weapons as this make life easier, less complicated.

HK MP5 Submachine gun:
A highly reliable CQB (close quarter battle)weapon. The MP5 uses a 9mm caliber round, this combined with the fact that it uses closed bolt position during all forms of fire makes this weapon highly controllable, even with its high rate of fire.
The other advantage of this weapon is the fact that it has a Collapsible stock, and its light weight make it easy to Maneuver in tight spaces. The MP5 is used in more than 50 nations as its law enforcement units.


MP5 SD submachine gun:
This is basically the same as the above MP5, with the exception that it is fitted with a suppressor, specifically for sound and flash.
The removable sound suppressor is integrated into the design. The MP5SD uses a integral aluminum or optional wet technology stainless steel suppressor, and it does not require the use of subsonic ammunition for effective sound reduction.


SA 80:
This is a more powerful 5.56mm caliber weapon., fitted with a high performance optical sight, with a 4x magnification.
The added advantage of this weapon is that it has very little recoil compared to other weapons of the same caliber and can fire 650-800 rounds/minute, at an effective range of 400m. The weapon is designed to be simple to dismantle without special tools.


M72- Light Anti Tank Weapon (LAW):
This is a throw away type rocket. The rocket is made up of a 66mm HEAT warhead. Attached to the nozezle of the warhead are six spring loaded fins, which are folded when the warhead is in the firing tube. After firing the fins are deployed to stabilize the rocket in flight.
The M72 has a muzzle velocity of 145m/s, and a range of up to 1000m and can penetrate 305mm of armour


L2 Grenade:
A highly explosive anti personal grenade, based on the US M26 grenade. It has a delay of 4,4s and a effective radius of 10m.


Flash Bang:
This is a very effective tool when it comes to hostage rescue. It emmits a Vivid Flash and an extremely lound bang, hence the name "flash bang". The idea is to completely disorientate the enemy without killing him, thus giving the SAS time to infiltrate a room, giving them the extra seconds they may need to neutrilze a terrorist, and safely rescue a hostage



The SAS are also trained in using foreign weapons, for obvious reasons. If they are supposed to be doing a covert operation, in some strange land they will use whatever weapons is preferred by the enemy, such as the AK 47, to avoid looking Suspicious.
 

XGC Halcyon

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thats much better. but i bet wikipedia came into it somewhere:p

shame that you told me pretty much everything i already knew. still a good read however. i bow in admiration to your research. also id like to add most of thier training is confidential, and the take an oath declaring that they cannot divulge information on SAS operations
 

XGC Halcyon

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yeah. i am british, and my heritage lies within the armed forces, so my family told me most of the stuff that happens in the british army, and i got some experience too. also i read a little bit on the SAS. beasically, you dont mess with them
 
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