SUBSCRIPTION MYTHS ANSWERED

blondiizzle

New member
Whole lot of typing for nothing REDNECK ive already talked to people who obviously know more than you, and they answered questions without guessing or assuming what has or will happen. All in all you ramble on barely stating any facts and if you dont know of all the other tournament sites than sorry about your luck. Tons out there with money tournys all day, you just have to be good. As a section leader the questions i ask are usually because multiple members have asked me the same question. Thanks to you most of them will now ask me or their family what a lapdance is and why it cost 40dollars. Great job. Next time you feel like typing a book do it in a pm so you dont have to bore us with your ignorance.

Bulethed, please do not disrespect and berate other leaders just because they do not agree with you. Telling someone that they bore you with their ignorance is out of line and does not reflect well upon ANY of the leadership of this community. This is a rational debate with several different points of view that are being brought up. And then we wonder why threads get closed?

I personally enjoyed Redneck's post as it was well-thought out and concise.

This is the longest multi-quote that I've ever read. -lol-

Oh, I git'r'dun!
 
S

SYN Corona

Guest
lol, wow, I didnt think so many people would trip over this like they are. Ive been here for over 2 years, meaning the council have been spending there own money for a long time to ensure we have the best gaming experience possible. That has always been there goal, and they have always given that to us. So you dont want to pay a little bit of money for the extra stuff? Well either you can get over it (if youre not a leader you dont need more then 1 sig anyway, or more then 50 PM's, it only takes a second to delete them) or you can always join a new clan. We all know how good they are ;)
 

BuNiTe

New member
Ok this is getting ridiculous. If i see this nonsense being talked about anymore in here its not gonna be pretty. Bullethead im sorry but maybe if you were at the meeting last night you would understand more. I dont know who u talked to but redneck has the correct information seeing as he was there when the council explained everything. so for you to say they know a lot more than he does. You might wanna rethink that. i agree with what blondii says about how u treat other leaders. this is not the place for this kind of junk. We can settle all of this on XBL sunday at meetings or if you would rather get on the box now and we can settle it so we dont have anymore assumptions. Please and Thank you. Now agreed Council FTW!!!
 

blondiizzle

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This thread topic is reopened for discussion as the situation has been handled. Please realize that your opinions should be presented with a mature and rational tone, and that this is a community-wide discussion.

No personal attacks, everyone's opinion is valued, but please try to present the information, opinion, or question that you may have in the most reasonable and clear manner that you can.

Thank you.
 

o NEMESYS o

New member
Everything that all of you are clearing up one answer at a time is exactly what should have been said to begin with. No one doubts that what the council says is true, I personally handle many of the issues you younger people talk about all day everyday. What fueled the fire was a badly worded post. It contained vague information and made it seem like things were about to go subscription all the way. After the mice hit the windchimes, and I was able to gain the correct information, I immediately let my clan know what was going on. From what I can see, people want to hear the information from the council, not from blondii, or anyone else for that matter (although i can appreciate what your trying to do). I am speaking for the other gamers who either will not, or cannot speak for themselves for fear of not being taken seriously. You'd be surprised at how many there are. If my previous postings are read, you'll see that I am quite aware of what it takes to run multiple websites and can fully understand where the owners of this site are coming from. I do not disagree with the ideas, I disagreed with the way the information was presented at first. It started a fire all because of a lack of valuable information and It confused many people as we all know. Now, you may see things differently than myself, however, what i have gathered is that people want to see more interaction with members that are higher up. They feel that they are snubbed and/or disregarded because of either their rank or their age. It amazes me how seriously these kids take this stuff. It is very important to them that they are respected and at this time they just dont feel that they are very often. I cannot speak for everyone as there are apparently 25000 members, or 19000, 7000 of whom are active. Those of you who do not see this or feel that this information is accurate, your the one who will say " I love everything about this and everyone has always taken me seriously and everyone respects me." Fantastic work bud, keep it up, but just understand that there are those who feel this way. All i know is that I enjoy gaming, period. I have done and seen many things in my lifetime and think that this is a great thing that these people are doing here with xiledgaming. All i am saying, plain and simple, is that this gaming community that you have all worked so hard on, should be your first priority. There are alot of people out there that look forward to getting on here to check their PM's or just look around daily. I like it here and plan on staying as long as I can. More information, more interaction, less talking in circles and avoiding issues that should be handled ASAP will make this a better environment for everyone. If you give a well educated, well thought out response, people will listen to you. It's when your obviously full of it that people will start to distrust and dislike you and WHO and WHAT you stand for. Thank you for listening to me ramble on and on at 3 am. I couldn't sleep and this is the first thing I thought of to do besides reconfiguring servers and IPs. P.S. I do like the idea guys, just wish it had come with a little more motivation if you know what I mean.
 

blondiizzle

New member
I agree with you that the issue should never have happened to begin with... to an extent. I will be the first to admit that I was kind of irked when everything was happening, people were coming to me for answers, and I knew nothing. It is a frustrating position to be in.

The disappearance of the signatures was an accident, and this explosion of chatter and drama about the subscriptions never would have been an issue to begin with if it hadn't happened. The announcements would have happened in advance of the implementation, and everyone would have been well-informed.

While I appreciate what you are trying to say in regards to not wanting to hear it from me, or anyone but the Council, but where do you think that we get our information from? When you receive information from your SL, do you doubt that when he was appointed to his position by the Council it was because of his leadership skills and ability to represent the rules and policies of XG, enforce them, and keep abreast of them?

We are a large community, and the first post in this thread is by a Council Member - XGC xOTTOx XI. He brought both sets of information to us. Everything afterwards has just been general discussion about the announcement that they have come out and made regarding it? How are people feeling that they aren't getting information directly from the Council? I am sorry, but at some point you have to realize that it is not possible for the Council to attend every single clan meeting in the community to tell these people? I agree that, as leaders, we all need to play with the members of the community. I played with a recruit today. I sat in pregame lobby with a Captain of one of my clans for three hours yesterday laughing about things on the internet that we found.

As it stands, there was in impromptu meeting last night on the box with all available leaders that were online, so that the Council could address the issue with them and distribute that information further down the ranks, in places such as this thread.

One of the first things that was accomplished in the hysteria over the disappearing signatures was a post in the help desk by XGC Chandler XS stating that we did NOT know what was going on, and could not help anyone until we had further information. I will admit that quite a few of us had a good idea of what was going on just due to some of the things that people tend to know when they talk and communicate (I ran my cell bill over its 3000 DAY TIME minutes this month due to forum issues over the past two weeks), and via IMs, PMs, and conversations on the box, but all we could do without knowing the facts was to tell people that we would get them the information as soon as we knew what was going on.

People have jobs, people have families, people have lives. Emergencies happen, and I will tell you that people have been working full steam to fix the situation - between figuring out why the sigs disappeared to getting what information that they had out as quickly as possible to the people who needed it regarding the subscriptions so that they did not feel that they were going to be forced in to paying for this.

I have to say, two days, for people who all work real jobs, have conflicting schedules, have real lives, and do not get paid for this is pretty good for handling a minor glitch... A minor gitch - Super Mods and Mods lost their sigs for two days. The Council does NOT get paid, they all work real jobs, and have real lives. To make the statement that this community should be their number one priority is rather outrageous, and yet, I am pretty sure that it is their number one priority! A lot of leaders in this community dedicate 40+ hours a week to ensuring that this community runs smoothly. Without being paid.

I have worked in software development, as a business advocate and QA technician, on live databases, performing code releases and data migrations. With two testing databases that were independent for QA purposes. The logistics of developing and implementing new software are a hefty task. And without the funding (cough) to pay for the management, testing, and implementation of improvements such as these, hiccups like this are going to happen.

As a side note, that was only a company of about 5,000 people, and I was only ever in one meeting that had less than 20 people in it with the President of the company, and that was to help present the functionality of the database that we were developing to him so that he could have a better understanding of it when making operational decisions for the business, not him telling me that he was going to be working that night on some new stuff for it at his home computer for me to play with.

But I feel that what we should all take from this is that, yes, it was a problem. Yes, it was drama. But has it shown you that the direction of this community continues to be a positive one with a bright future? It has for me. And it has also shown me that we, as a whole community, need to realize that people make mistakes, and we all are here because this community is something that we believe in. We just need to learn to keep the faith during hard times. And not lash out at those who volunteer their time or put money into something that they are working hard to improve.

And also: To keep our cool and realize that at the end of the day (beginning, as it would be right now) it is, after all, just a game.
 
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blondiizzle

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And that quote of 7000 who are active is a random number that I pulled out of my head (in a private conversation) that was to be used as an example, an approximation, of people who MIGHT pay for the service, not of active members. To prove a point. A figure, I might add, one that I was corrected on as being a gross overestimation, which I definitely figured when I used it. In no way was it to be presented as any sort of a fact.
 

BuNiTe

New member
Very interesting blondii. Man i tell you. lol Nicely said even though it took me a while to read it and agreed. and romance to answer your question otto had said within the next couple days to possibly a week. So yea just thought i would pop in and say well done. CHEA!!!
 

o NEMESYS o

New member
Yes, I realize that this is a full time job in itself, I have one as well as many others here. Why is it outrageous to assume that the site made by gamers for gamers wouldn't make this "extra activity" a top priority? They did after all nurse it to where it is today...so we all assume that it's important to them. As for leadership qualities and people appointed by the owners, well, let's just say that nobody is perfect. We can't make the right decisions all the time now can we. I'm not saying that all leadership is no good, I'm simply saying that without a doubt, some of it is a lil shabby at times. Surely you can accept that. When you get your information from another person, and you choose to relay that information yourself, i'm sure you do it well. That is not what i meant by that. I'm saying that it couldn't hurt for them to make an appearance and motivate the kids who look up to them everyday. Which I'm certain they will at some point. Sorry to hear about your cell bill, and I am aware that people have jobs, lives and families as well and yes your right, emergencies do happen from time to time (been there myself). I know nothing about any hysteria about missing signatures. I heard about it when it happened and no one said much on my end so I assume the hysteria was elsewhere. I absolutely agree with you on doing a good job on fixing the glitch as well. You went above and beyond (time wise) and tackled the issue head on. Now that's what we like to see!
(((The logistics of developing and implementing new software are a hefty task. And without the funding (cough) to pay for the management, testing, and implementation of improvements such as these, hiccups like this are going to happen.))) Are you saying that your developing and implementing a new software here, or are you referring to something else? Are you talking about the subscription software? Anyway, people lash out because they feel betrayed, bent out of shape, confused, or just plain let down as you know just as well as any of us. We all love the idea of improving this site, and we are all behind it 100% And the future of this company is held by its leaders large and small. I would never lash out at any of you, you might remember it for a while if I had. lol In any case, I just want you all to know I think your doing a good job and to keep up the fine work you do here.
 

XGC REDNECK XC

Community Leader
Blondii and shadow, very informative and well opionated post, i enjoyed reading them even though they took a while, haha. They we're worth the time though. Perfect examples of well spoken, thought out post!
 

blondiizzle

New member
SORRY, THIS IS LONG!

Sorry, this is LONG!

Yes, I realize that this is a full time job in itself, I have one as well as many others here. Why is it outrageous to assume that the site made by gamers for gamers wouldn't make this "extra activity" a top priority? They did after all nurse it to where it is today...so we all assume that it's important to them. As for leadership qualities and people appointed by the owners, well, let's just say that nobody is perfect. We can't make the right decisions all the time now can we. I'm not saying that all leadership is no good, I'm simply saying that without a doubt, some of it is a lil shabby at times. Surely you can accept that. When you get your information from another person, and you choose to relay that information yourself, i'm sure you do it well. That is not what i meant by that. I'm saying that it couldn't hurt for them to make an appearance and motivate the kids who look up to them everyday. Which I'm certain they will at some point. Sorry to hear about your cell bill, and I am aware that people have jobs, lives and families as well and yes your right, emergencies do happen from time to time (been there myself). I know nothing about any hysteria about missing signatures. I heard about it when it happened and no one said much on my end so I assume the hysteria was elsewhere. I absolutely agree with you on doing a good job on fixing the glitch as well. You went above and beyond (time wise) and tackled the issue head on. Now that's what we like to see!
(((The logistics of developing and implementing new software are a hefty task. And without the funding (cough) to pay for the management, testing, and implementation of improvements such as these, hiccups like this are going to happen.))) Are you saying that your developing and implementing a new software here, or are you referring to something else? Are you talking about the subscription software? Anyway, people lash out because they feel betrayed, bent out of shape, confused, or just plain let down as you know just as well as any of us. We all love the idea of improving this site, and we are all behind it 100% And the future of this company is held by its leaders large and small. I would never lash out at any of you, you might remember it for a while if I had. lol In any case, I just want you all to know I think your doing a good job and to keep up the fine work you do here.

As far as the importance of XG to all of the leadership, it is a number 1 priority for a large majority of us. That's how we got to be where we are today, as I am sure that you feel about your current position - hard work and dedication. I am more referring to the fact that, back in the Halo 2 days, we used to preach that no issue was so big that it could not wait until Sunday to be handled. Specifically because we all donate our time (our GAMING time, which is our recreation time) to making XG the best experience that it can be for all of its members.

I think that is something that may need to be reiterated every once in a while - we all want to see situations resolved as soon as possible, but one can only handle so much while running out the door for work, or between cooking dinner and putting their kids to bed. I know a lot of times I have just looked at my roommate and shrugged while in the middle of handling a situation, and she has made me up a plate of food and brought it in to the room for me.

I do not mind the phone calls that wake me out of my sleep, which is kind of extreme, most leaders have set the boundaries saying, I go to work at this time, please respect that when I give you my phone number. I tell people to use discretion when waking me up out of my sleep. It's just what my schedule allows for - I can get a phone call at 5:00 in the morning and still get in enough sleep to make it to work.

No, you are correct that it is not new software in regards to the subscription services, that was a bad presentation on my part. It was, though, a change in the management of existing functionality. It was more of a generalization regarding all of the different changes we have experienced in the website over the past few years.

And the implementation of the CCMS front page of the site went well, without a hiccup, and I'm sure that was by far a larger project. And I just wanted to state that I in no way had anything to do with actually fixing the glitch - that was all the man behind the curtain ;) headadmin

And I agree that people lash out for those reasons. What bothers me, though, is that people who have taken up leadership positions in the community (and this is in no way directed at you, there were a few people caught up in the drama that took it to an extreme as a personal affront), have, instead of actually waited with patience to hear the full story, reacted, and made poor, uninformed decisions.

The reason that bothers me is that leaders chosen in this community are supposed to take the time to find out all sides of the story and make informed decisions. That is what our rank structure is based upon. And I cannot claim that I have not been there, and wanted to make a rash decision, being upset, and feeling hurt and betrayed definitely does it to you. I can, by NO means, claim that I have not made rash decisions, because I received information and I did not have the time to get the whole story or handle the situation as it should have been, making a decision to handle something temporarily until I had time to handle it fully. I admitted, at the beginning of all of this, I was irked. Mostly because I was uninformed.

But, as stated, no one is perfect, as we all should well know just from life experiences outside of XG in general. But pointing fingers and laying blame about how something could have been handled better does not help those who made the mistakes (and those who dealt with them) to grow and become better leaders. What does help us to all learn and grow is rational conversations such as this about the mistakes and how to fix them for the future. I will make sure that some of the concerns that you stated here are brought up in Sunday's meetings, and actually will let you know that one of the things that you have stated was previously brought up this week to be discussed on Sunday. I have also offered to lend a hand since I do have a lot of experience understanding the back end and structure of databases and user interfaces and their relations. That is what I can do to help in the future to prevent such things from occurring in the future.

Everyone's friend list is only so big - so just like the chances of someone random running in to you in pregame lobby are based upon the networking in the community, then the chances of someone ending up in pregame lobby with me, or any of the leadership all of the way up, for that matter, are based upon the same. I can remember back in Halo 2, one of the big things that I did as a General was hang out in an open pregame lobby, and post on the forums. People bounced in, people bounced out. People got to meet each other, find other people to play games with, and there you go.

The reason I bring that up is because I was notorious for it. I ended up in a party with a few of the Council, and we decided to open the party and time how long it took to fill up (I believe it was under two minutes). People always know when you are with the Council, and everyone wants to meet them. We just need to realize that there are a lot of us, and not many of them, and we ask that they focus on the community to grow it, so there are constantly people needing to their time and attention... and we all have to share ;)

By the way, what is the actual amount of active members within xiledgaming.com?

Who knows? Even knowing that, there is no way to know how many would ACTUALLY pay for any level of the subscription services, and it's not expected to be a large number. Just enough to help pay for things that we want to bring to the table. We all reap the benefits of the community, and I have no problem with helping to fund it, myself...

For instance, they have only sold about 40-50 of the XG t-shirts I think. I am sure that there will be more sold before MLG Orlando, but still, not exactly enough money to further a community of this size very far.

Blondii and shadow, very informative and well opionated post, i enjoyed reading them even though they took a while, haha. They we're worth the time though. Perfect examples of well spoken, thought out post!

Thanks Redneck
 
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blondiizzle

New member
Very interesting blondii. Man i tell you. lol Nicely said even though it took me a while to read it and agreed. and romance to answer your question otto had said within the next couple days to possibly a week. So yea just thought i would pop in and say well done. CHEA!!!

Bunite answered you :)
 

Chandler

New member
Tisk tisk, I see someone was skipping over Bunite's posts. And some people have the audacity to say he never knows what he's talking about.....
 
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