WHAT XG SHOULD BE ABOUT.

[Armo27]

In XG i have heard multiple people leave because they call XG a business.
Which for some, it is true, but for others, it's not. See the point of XG is to game with other members. You go on Xbox to game, but you join a clan to meet new people while you're gaming. So you recruit because it gets you more members to game with. It's not something that should be shoved down your throat, you should want to recruit because you should want to game with more people then the people you have. that way everybody has somebody to game with and everything is awesome. Don't treat it like a business, but like a family.

 

[Fear The Sage]

good way of putting that armo

 

[Stabbing Skulls]

In XG i have heard multiple people leave because they call XG a business.
Which for some, it is true, but for others, it's not. See the point of XG is to game with other members. You go on Xbox to game, but you join a clan to meet new people while you're gaming. So you recruit because it gets you more members to game with. It's not something that should be shoved down your throat, you should want to recruit because you should want to game with more people then the people you have. that way everybody has somebody to game with and everything is awesome. Don't treat it like a business, but like a family.

This is a Great thing and as a GENERAL of XGC TRIBAL i tell my members this all the tiime we are a FAMILY not a BUSINESS!

 

[SYN HighLite]

I concur. Spread the word.

 

[XGC 1 Actual]

Keeping in mind what a BUSINESS really is and what a Family is; I'd say people who join need to understand the difference. We are not a Business, or all of us would be compensated. Right?
However, the professionalism, organization, Esprit De Corps, and establishment of XG, we have to take some things seriously.
Obviously, we are not a bunch of kids running around with a clan started a week ago. We are more than anyone in XBOX land could imagine. For this, I take the utmost respect and pride in what I do and how I handle my XG hobby. If I'm organized, and handle myself like im invested in a business, then my clans will be organized and running proper. My members will reap the reward of being in something special that meets their gaming needs, without the "business" aspect. Bottom line, I handle my responsibilities as a Section Leader a certain way and if my members feel its not right, they can let me know and we will adjust fire.

* I do think, the few that you heard about leaving XG, left on the notion that some higher ups make money off XG.. That they weren't getting money.. This is horrible to think about.
And this solely is coming from me, being I have no personal connections to the Council, I seriously doubt XG is a financial "piggy bank" for our leaders/ founders. CLEARLY, the cost of running a business in the 21st century outweighs any revenue that a FREE gaming website could create.
We don't pay for any of the website services, which in my mind, our website is TOP NOTCH!
Just think about the cost that comes OUT OF POCKET to run this site, update it, and personal time required....
Sometimes, people just get jealous and want more than others.. For those members, good luck in your journey in finding another gaming community that excels like XG..
I haven't had any regret in joining XG over a year ago, nor getting promoted to Section Leader.

 

[The Chosen One]

XG is what you make of it, simple as that. For the vast majority of members their general is the highest "ranking" member within XG that they will see on a regular basis and as a result of that their general plays a massive role in how these members view XG.

Now in my honest opinion the reason some people see XG as more of a business is because in some clans there is an unhealthy emphasis on recruiting that is normally reflected by the general who could possibly be under that pressure from his/her XS and so on. This can take away from the fun aspect of being within a clan.

There are some generals who seem very focused on just splitting clans asap, which I think is stupid and results in unhealthy clans. Why have 4 unhealthy dying clans when you could have 1 thriving successful clan?

That said there are a large amount of very good generals along with a large amount of great members. I wouldn't be here still if I didnt like XG

 

[XDC Jinno]

If you guys talk to me in the box, I tend to like to loosen things up, crack a few jokes here and there, plays games, make friends, and basically have fun. I believe that is what its all about having fun, or this site wouldn't be called Xiled Gaming Community

But, I like where your coming from SYN 1 Actual XS and Armo 27, you guys really did change my views on the site, and rank structure in general. I don't want to write an essay but yeah, I think people leave XG is because they lacked the part where they would have fun with others in the community.

 

[KoG Jehuty]

In a sense, XG does have business capabilities, but most clans do also. The thing is, nobody is making you buy anything or purchase any premiums, their just options for people who feel that they want them. XG in general is an overall good community, it is what you make it. If you like then join the community, if you don't, hey there's the web address way up there ^^^^^ feel free to use it to get away from the site.

 

[XGC Phantom XD]

Adding on to everything else..when I was first told the news of why people were leaving I thought to myself....wait, they are leaving because they think the council makes money? What do we pay for other than memberships? Do people really think they are banking off memberships? Did they even consider how much it takes to run the site?

The way I see it, if people PURCHASED a membership, and obviously, no one is forcing anyone to purchase a membership nor is anyone favorited if they do...what the hell does anyone care what happens to that money? You payed for a service, you got it, end of story. What happens at the other end is irrelevant. The site has never been about money. Could it be turned into a business? Well yeah sure, does anyone actually want to attempt? I sure as hell don't seeing as we have been running for a dam good 6 years strong.

For those who actually care about money, I'm sure there are plenty of sites that are geared towards profit...good luck finding one as big as XG though. I really do think people just need to disregard the notion of the council as "banking" and worry about the game.

 

[The Chosen One]

The vast majority of people that I know that have left, left for other reason. Only a few (and I mean literally 1 or 2) left because they felt the council were making money off the site. I can kinda see the reasoning though as generally the financial cost of running a site isn't that great.

Either way I couldn't care less if people are making money off the site or not and even if people were the amounts would be very minimal. Hell on the off chance money was being made it would more than likely be a lot less over the course of a year than what I could make in a week.

 

[Jupiter]

I could honestly care less if they make money. Since when are we against people making money? We could all use a little extra.
Besides, its not like I'm giving them any money... I think I donated 5 dollars just cause I wanted the little banner.. lol

A huge reason people leave is because they dont get the promotion they think they deserve or things dont go their way. And yes, sadly some do leave because of drama. drama exists everywhere, this clan isnt exempt.
hell when i left when i was in xg before its because every clan i went to was just drama but it seems to have calmed down quite a bit as far as what was happening when i was here.

honestly, were here to have fun & enjoy the company of others.. yes some people make that hard but thats life.

go with the flow & dont stress over the little things

 

[Armo27]

So the point of this forum was to share my story and how i think others should change their view point. You shouldn't care what others think about the council or higher ups or whatever. The reason im in this clan today is because it was made for people to extend their xbox friends. Look, if this clan was based off of just constantly recruiting because im forced too and having to constantly do something, i wouldn't be in here right now. Im here because I like to meet other gamers and have a better gaming experience, which some people don't understand.

So sure you can leave but before you do, ask yourself why you joined in the first place. To game with more people then you were gaming with before. That why i could care less im a general. promote me demote me i dont care. Because i only care about 1 thing on Xbox. GAMING. Its a bonus that im in a clan because i have more people to game with. Thats why we recruit. because your adding gamers to your gaming experience. So my question is: Why does it matter about the council making money or not? I dont care about what they're doing because it doesnt affect my gaming experience or what im doing. Does it affect yours? i doubt it. So next time you hear about people possibly quitting, ask them why they joined and tell them that they are leavin a great community without much thought.

Ultimate Motto: I game to meet new people and have fun.

 

[XvBigPapavX]

XG is a family however don't try to say thats its not a business, because it is, and that is not to say that i am bashing, i am not, the council does make money that is a fact, but i will say that a great deal of it does most likely and i would like to believe that it goes to the website because i used to run the Nv site and i can attest to the amount of money that goes into running and maintaining a website, the vBul, the domain, and servers. They are not forcing anyone to pay for subscriptions so people can not really complain however they had to fill out information and documents which I've seen and looked over so legally XG is a business. However it is way more than that...

XG is a home to many people and a family to myself and others, i have met many great friends here to which i still keep in touch with regularly though they may not be in XG anymore.

 

[Inked Ivy]

I could honestly care less if they make money. Since when are we against people making money? We could all use a little extra.

I agree.

After working with Viper on (which to some may sound the simple task) of changing the XGG forums, and being in a party while TommyGun fixed up some aspects of our forum ; it immediately became clear just how much time the higher ups spend making sure the website is working well for all of us. And half the time it is behind the scenes work with no thanks, i.e fixing the database errors.
I ran a website during my XG hiatus which was primarily css based and I can tell you in high doses that bores you to death. Yet these guys have been doing it for years. All whilst dealing with bits of drama that come up now and then. So I think they deserve a bit of 'pocket money' while they're at it.

So what they make money from ads and redirects? Nearly all websites do it. Facebook utilizes sensitive personal information to get the most out of advertising. If you want to be angry about websites making money, then go enjoy your time on Wikipedia, because that's probably one of the only decent websites out there not making money.

As for people leaving, I just want to say to everyone who stays, don't let emotions get the better of you when someone leaves and start harrassing them. I left XG in the past due to real life crumbling around me and I was subject to what is under the definition of cyber bullying, all whilst dealing with some very tough times. I have thick skin, so I was okay, however someone who is sensitive could really be affected and take it out on themselves.
Remember everyone has their reasons and sometimes it can be so personal they do not want to say. Don't always assume it's due to promotions, politics or clan drama.

tl;dr : Stop caring about money. Be considerate to some people who leave (except total d'bags..lol).

 

[The Chosen One]

I agree.

After working with Viper on (which to some may sound the simple task) of changing the XGG forums, and being in a party while TommyGun fixed up some aspects of our forum ; it immediately became clear just how much time the higher ups spend making sure the website is working well for all of us. And half the time it is behind the scenes work with no thanks, i.e fixing the database errors.
I ran a website during my XG hiatus which was primarily css based and I can tell you in high doses that bores you to death. Yet these guys have been doing it for years. All whilst dealing with bits of drama that come up now and then. So I think they deserve a bit of 'pocket money' while they're at it.

So what they make money from ads and redirects? Nearly all websites do it. Facebook utilizes sensitive personal information to get the most out of advertising. If you want to be angry about websites making money, then go enjoy your time on Wikipedia, because that's probably one of the only decent websites out there not making money.

As for people leaving, I just want to say to everyone who stays, don't let emotions get the better of you when someone leaves and start harrassing them. I left XG in the past due to real life crumbling around me and I was subject to what is under the definition of cyber bullying, all whilst dealing with some very tough times. I have thick skin, so I was okay, however someone who is sensitive could really be affected and take it out on themselves.
Remember everyone has their reasons and sometimes it can be so personal they do not want to say. Don't always assume it's due to promotions, politics or clan drama.

tl;dr : Stop caring about money. Be considerate to some people who leave (except total d'bags..lol).

^This.

 

[SYN Jerriel]

Give rep if you agree.

 

[XvBigPapavX]

haha thats funny J man

 

[Mason]

The majority of us leave not because of the business aspect, not because of money, and definitley not because of promotions which never happened. As Ivy said the majority of the time its for other reasons, and alot of the time personal reasons.

And I will admit, for me I did leave slightly because of the business aspect. But I never disrespected any members or made a big deal out of it. However I found it funny that my well put together farewell ended up getting closed due to XG members argueing in it, which is not what I wanted. All I wanted was some goodbyes and hit me up sometimes.

Trust me I know what its like to run some communties and all are business's because they all require money to operate. But the fact of the matter is, and im not trying to start anything, is that the site is very very out of date. There is software out that passes this software by miles even though they cost the same as this one.

So yes I do think more money needs to be put into the site and more care needs to be placed about the members. The mentality of having someone to replace another is not a family oriented thought. Every member is important and I think that is something lost in XG for most members. Not saying all but quite a few.

Im not saying the leaders dont do alot in this community, they do. But alot more could be put in which could bring XG back to the top. They make enought money to be top of the line right now but again we havnt seen any updates in years.

I never Hated XG, I have alot of friends in XG, I left for personal reasons.

So theres some un biased advice that I think should be looked at.

 

[XGC 1 Actual]

A.) 58,000+ members... You are not going to make everyone of them happy....
B.) If XG is a business, I assure you they are non profit tax status... Which then they want everyone's SSN so they can claim each "donation"... As I then can write off my contributions....
Is XG a business... I doubt or things would be different... Is it ran in some aspect like a business. Id say yes! And with that.... I agree with Sakura totally...

 

[The Chosen One]

A.) 58,000+ members... You are not going to

That probably not the best thing to mention, especially when you consider how many of them are actually still here....