XILED GAMING SUBSCRIPTIONS

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SYN VeNoM

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Without pricing these arguements are pointless. I in some ways agree with this decision, it is expensive to run a website but it is also expensive to keep upto date with XBL, new games and DL content. I think the best way to resolve this is a poll of some sort.

But we need pricing and I might suggest that (IMO) a Silver account is all that one would need so going by a method of low price/high sales would result in a steady flow of funds.
 

Jangles

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Without pricing these arguements are pointless. I in some ways agree with this decision, it is expensive to run a website but it is also expensive to keep upto date with XBL, new games and DL content. I think the best way to resolve this is a poll of some sort.

But we need pricing and I might suggest that (IMO) a Silver account is all that one would need so going by a method of low price/high sales would result in a steady flow of funds.

You're right, without pricing it's hard to discuss this.
 

SYN JOSH

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cool deal, but i am going to be like alot of others saying that i dont have the money for it. things are tight. but whatever goes down is all good on my side
 

XGC Paramore

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This is not a great idea... if you guys want the website to keep running , just get ads and or Sponsored links on the website. For us KoG kids is going to be stupid to say to out parents "Can I get money so I stay in my clan?" or something like that... For most parents they "Your funny" and other remarks that im not going to put. This is only my opinion and I say its a bad idea.
 

SoW Sanity

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Alright, I read as much as I could about this... and here's a way to deal with the people under the age of 18! Benefit them on their grades. ;)

Seriously, though, I do not really like this idea. As far as I know, my rank hasn't been affected by this yet and I'll be rather disappointed when I click to post this and if it is affected the moment I do that. There are some people out there that do agree with this, but for the most part, I've seen people here that were disagreeing with it....

I am trying to look at both sides of the table.
The things that have been brought up that would be for this subscription thing is that the website is expensive. It is optional. It has been noted that it is going to be hard to make any real decisions unless we know some pricing, because if we're talking maybe $5 for a Silver membership... go out and mow some lawns, children, Xiled Gaming has some bills to pay! However, if you're talking anymore than $15, and it depends on for how long - example, Xbox Live costs you $50 for an entire year. World of Warcraft costs you $15 for a month. So if you go by monthly fees, you're taking a portion of my money to play World of Warcraft, and I frown upon that. I really do. If you're talking yearly subscriptions, then big whoop. $50 for a year is well worth it on Xbox Live, but I won't be paying the same price for an internet website that I would for Xbox Live.

Then we look at the things that go against it.
You're telling us that we have to pay for what we've already had? It is going to be an impact on recruits, like it or not. It is something that we can start bringing up while we're attemping to recruit someone, but there are people out there that will misunderstand and might be under the belief that they have to donate to join into the community. We could explain it out to them a hundred times, and some people just won't get it. Some of the minors do not have a part-time job, some do not have rich parents - Hell, there are adults out there who don't even have a job! Back to the kids - some are too busy with school to be able to get that part-time job, or even mow a lawn, shovel a driveway, or however we all used to make money as children back in the day. We put our time in here through using up our own time, and sometimes, it feels like an actual job that makes us have to get on... other times, we come on to actually play a game. Most times, in fact, but then there's issues that always come up that we always have to deal with. I've stressed this before, and I will stress it again: Drama does not go away by ignoring it, it goes away by dealing with it. And with this being a huge community, over 25,000 members, and it is impossible for every single one of them to not have some drama. The drama will affect their life, entirely, thus, it will be coming onto the game here and there... and if it's something based on the community, it should be dealt with.

Back to the point... there are so many things in life that will say we cannot afford to pay for this. And you took away some things that were already a privilege, but what did we do that made us deserve that loss? Nothing. But now you want more out of us to have that privilege, and I think it is wrong. You could do this subscription thing, but I would suggest you come up with better benefits instead of removing some that we had. Maybe after they subscribe for so long, they get free Microsoft points. Let's say they don't have an Xbox 360... and I don't have a Playstation 3, so I can't tell you what benefits could go for that... maybe a free game of their choosing? There will be a lot of extra cash, so I'm sure you could afford it. Maybe everyone who subscribes has a chance to get a bonus $1000 once every 6-12 months. I don't know. There are so many things you guys could've thought of.

To the side of them, our signature are not really required to be on the board. They were a nice addition, but we don't have to have them... although it makes us all look like robots, and completely boring individuals. You hear me, Jangles? You're boring! And if there was someone in this world that was more boring than you... well, they'd be pretty damn boring! (j/k)

There is another note that I nearly forgot... leaders need a larger inbox than others, moderators, and super moderators. They all need this stuff. And I will include Generals in this topic as leaders - because Generals get messages from their clans once in a while, believe it or not, but they are also part of those mass messages that you all send out at least once a week. So if it is going to be your messages filling my inbox, I should get a larger inbox because there are some things noted in there that I just like to keep, so I can go back to it later if I need.
I can only imagine how a Section Leaders inbox would be, and it would only fill up more as we go up the ranks.

In conclusion, I do think that our privileges should be granted back, and you should think of some new benefits for those that subscribe. It is our duty when we recruit people to make sure they understand that they do not have to subscribe to the site to gain ranks or anything... some people will be hard to convince when they see it, others will say "okay, sweet".

PS: If I lose my Kamelot signature, I will be angry, and heads will roll.
 

SwampyThe Gamer

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The issue of us growing and keeping up with things is a issue , but i think that as a commuity me as a leader who dedicates there time should not haft to pay for nothin i should be givin these as a leader along with all the other leaders . what everyone needs to understand is once money is starting to generate where will it end ? who will reap the bennifits of that money ? the web site or those who run it as a corporation ? with this new subscription in affect , who will police the money and where it is going? probly no one !! Also as any corporation should know , they are not run by one person but by a board . well what is our board , who is it made of . so far the descition seems to rest on only the council which i do not agree they should be the only descition makers of our community on such matters when the effect is on the whole community . how will our members be ashured that the money is goin for what it is suppost to . i think i can say that as a leader we all could agree we would like to help our community grow but at what cost ? i think this is a very big issue and i think that alot has not been thought about . i think this is a bad idea for our community and i wish for it to grow , but as a leader of the community i was not even told about this before the descition was made and im sorry but i feel that i have been decieved , i for one will not be apart of this without further discution on details . and hopefully the details will be for the benfit of our community because if they are not i will stay in the community but not ever get on this site again and will not instruct anyone to get on this site . i am and have always been here for the community and not for the indiviual . this is not my only community i have been with, i have been in gaming community's since 1996 , but this descition has been made more like a dictatorship than i feel for the benifit for the community . so hopefuly we all will be enlightened on the details .
 

XGC Blood Fire

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so the sigs i already have...i have to remove them and then pay to use them? i think thats a little absurd really. i know we have to put time and effort and money into our community but saying no you have worked for this stuff but now were taking it away and you have to pay to have it back seems odd. im not being aggressive or anything but if i say to new recruits yea you have to pay to put use more features of the site, wouldnt that stop enthusiasm because were getting less than before. i just dont like it to be honest, i dont wanna cross the line or anything or get on bad side of people but how will it better our community when we are now charging them to be a part of it. and one question...if we have over 23,000 active members who pay for these "privilidges" which we already had before, where does the money go? over 23,000 member's money would be A LOT more than needed to run our site..who gets the rest of it? what does it go towards after there is so some left over?? what if someone is already having finance problems and cant afford to get those privilidges because they have to pay for it, that is basicaly saying you can only be a part of our community fully if you wanna pay money into it, thats just stupid. people have their own lives and if they cant afford to buy these extras then they wont want to be in our community. with some many clans poahing our members, what are we doing? offering them members??? thank you...
 

o NEMESYS o

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So I believe what you people are actually saying is that your tired of having to donate your free time to running, maintaining and paying out of pocket for a site that you simply do not have time for anymore. Which I can understand from a business perspective. I know how much it costs to have a website (especially if your making it yourselves) which you are. I am not bashing anyone, simply attempting to understand the actual facts behind the sugar and rainbows. More than half of these gamers you welcome here in your community are very young and have no way of paying for these services as you should well know. You stand to lose many good people who (if you watch the news) are out of work or cannot afford to pay simply to be a part of this "gamer community". Your cause is not a "bad" thing. It is just not well thought out yet. It seems to be a hasty decision. My question is why? What is really going on behind the scenes? Or are the scenes so private and secret squirrel, that no one could possibly understand or even come close to helping with your shining star ideas? Hosting and maintaining websites is not an expensive business (unless you pay someone else to do it for you!). So i am curious, as im sure many others are, at what these so called "subscriptions" will cost all of us who bust our butts to make this place work smoother for YOU. You say that these "volunteers" moderate forums and do other menial tasks, such as delete, lock and uphold the rules of this community. Creating and exception in the rules by allowing unmoderated forums (as swampfox mentioned) your doing nothing but saying outloud...I don't feel like hearing people whine about how long it takes to moderate a simple forum. Which I fully understand as people do tend to whine a lot when work they don't HAVE to do is done for free. Please do not patronize me, I am not a child and I DO know quite a bit more than you would think. I have been doing internet security and working with DBMS for quite a while and understand how these things work. I will say again, I am not bashing council for wanting it easier...just let the community know what for and why, and I am sure they will thank you for it. Not everything that is sugarcoated goes down smoothly. If I can be of any assistance please let me know and I'll do what my schedule allows. One other thing, Council, Community leaders, Division leaders, Section leaders, Generals: A good leadership does not/CANNOT always candy-coat information that represents a "for the good of the community" meaningful change. You'll find that candy-coating is done for good reason 50% of the time. The other 50% is worthless in it's entirety and creates confusion and unrest among people who simply "do not understand" and REQUIRE an explanation or example. I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU DO THIS CONSTANTLY, If you choose to take the prior statement the wrong way, so be it. I am saying that a little bit more of a straightforward approach to the kids on this site may surprise you. I run my clan in a similar manner and they are all fantastic, easy to work with kids...(now)..lol...once I created an understanding with them. After all, it is all about respect and having fun right? So let me recap...I do not disagree with your ideas, i disagree with the manner and informational content with which they have been presented...It is vague and confusing to many. Let this community know how you feel about it and it's present members and what it is that you NEED them to do and I'm sure you'll see some form of positive action. Here is a little more info for the good of everyone, which in many ways will benefit those that run the site in the form of educating those in the community who simply do not get it...Thank you....

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KoG STEALTH

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Ok 1st off its a bad idea beacuse of what everyone said like KoG SWAMPFOX XD, SYN BIGPAPA XS, and ect. I agree if you want to donate then donate if you dont then dont. But about "if you want avatars, signatures, and more PM's you got to pay for it NO thanks!!! I can do without them. But at the same time i hope that you pay everyone in the design team at the same time since they are the ones doing the signature and banners remember they are doing and dedicatating alot of time and work to this web site doing everyones banners, and signatures? I will tell you straight out the truth yeah it would be nice if we all got paid for this but like alot of people said in here how can we say "would you like to join KoG,XGC,SYN, or XGG oh and by the way you got to pay to join". Talk about never getting a recurit agin!!! And also on top of that I will not pay like i said i dont car if i have a avatar,sig or more PM's hey if i dont have enough room for you guys to message me then oh well. Also if you didnt start off with it in the beging by haveing people pay then dont start it now.
 

XGC MEGA XD

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Swampfox, no disrespect but I think you are getting way ahead of yourself. Ask the questions you would like answered and let's go from there -- don't make assumptions and air grievances that are in part based on those assumptions.

Without pricing these arguements are pointless.

Exactly. Same conclusion Jangles and I came to on AIM.
 

KoG Merciless

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i don't like this idea at all it is maybe one thing if we didn't have these privelages in the first place but taking them away and making us pay is wrong there are many ways to make money like putting up ads or events that cost to play but it keeps the members doing stuff together im not sure how active are multimedia team is with making sigs but i can bet that it will probably affect them to for some people there sigs mean something to them with the unmoderated forum is crazy whats the point of having rules at that point basically the people that can afford to pay will just seem like they are more important and better just because they have something that other people don't have but once use to

this is my opinion but im sure im just a general.... i wont be able to change anything
 

o NEMESYS o

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I'm sure this was going to be addressed in meetings on Sunday. I think the concerns raised in this thread are a little premature. This line of conversation might be better suited for private discussions.

I have some concerns about an un-moderated forum, but I'll discuss those elsewhere.

Otherwise, I don't see the big deal. If you don't donate, you can still have a custom signature. I don't know how much money the council members have poured into this community, but websites like this one are not exactly cheap. I've visited other forums where you pay for features -- this isn't unprecedented.

I would also donate if there was only a "donate" button, though.
I also would like to say...don't create a thread for general discussion if no one is allowed to have just that...a general discussion about topics that NEED/WILL be discussed. There is no hostility going on here...If people cannot openly discuss average goings on without someone deleting or locking a thread, then what is the actual point of creating the thread in the first place? I for one am a little tired of the ridiculous idea of "drama" in regards to what appears to be a normal conversation. Any matter that concerns an individual should be dealt with and that person should not be worried about whether or not someone behind the scenes is going to discard their concerns like they don't exist. This is not drama or anger...its a discussion..its what people have when they do NOT understand or agree with something in order to come to an understanding or resolution to the issue. TALK!
 

XGC REDNECK XC

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People are already starting to leave over this, it has caused an uproar on the box and on here. It doesnt matter to me either way. But more light should be shead and a more in depth explanation should be given before we lose more members that say they are leaving to other communities where they get these privlages for free. Everyone stay calm and be patient until more detail is discussed.

Thanks

REDNECK
 

o NEMESYS o

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lol, I know bud, I was just trying to get that point across...Discussions shouldn't be taken away from us...it is what makes things change and grow as well as be understood by others...as Im sure you would agree.
 

Jangles

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Good Gravy.

Guys no more doomsday predictions and hysterics over the becomings of XG.

All of our conversations and debates in here are worthless without prices. Nobody needs to leave or go crazy over this. It's a new idea, let's see how it works before we abandon ship.

The council has been paying for this site and others for years. All the money this makes I'm sure will be sent right back into things to better XG but they aren't bad guys if they are trying to get back some of the money they originally spent ON US. Thousands of us enjoy this site at the expense of just a few people.

So, like I said, let's all relax and see where the council goes with this
 

o NEMESYS o

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JUST A GENERAL

just a general

i don't like this idea at all it is maybe one thing if we didn't have these privelages in the first place but taking them away and making us pay is wrong there are many ways to make money like putting up ads or events that cost to play but it keeps the members doing stuff together im not sure how active are multimedia team is with making sigs but i can bet that it will probably affect them to for some people there sigs mean something to them with the unmoderated forum is crazy whats the point of having rules at that point basically the people that can afford to pay will just seem like they are more important and better just because they have something that other people don't have but once use to

this is my opinion but im sure im just a general.... i wont be able to change anything
Wha? That is what I'm talking about....So many people in leadership positions really feel that what they have to say doesn't mean a thing. That is not true bud, what you say and feel means something...speaking openly about it is what moves mountains.:)
 

Bossman Team TMV

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Well I know i'm not paying for anything BECAUSE I had asked the whole XGC Community a few weeks back if they wanted to try and get the name XGC even more out there and possibly even on TV by way of me bowling In State tournaments which finals would be televised (Like the PBA Tour) and i got a few responses from "Higher Ups" that this was border line solicitation/asking for donations for monetary gain. This was far from the truth! I was trying to pick up sponsorships to make XGC like MLG and we all know how big that is. Anyway, Donations are one thing, like you would donate to SPYBOT for there freeware, but taking privlidages away and saying the only way to get them back is to pay for it like paying for Microsoft for a "Community Service" based gaming community is in MY opinion, not right.
Like stated $1 from every member in XGC over the course of a yr is obviously $10,000 + What would happen to the funds not needed for the web site, would we get paid for it? Then i would be all for it, like King says "Are we getting paid anytime soon for what we do?"

~Boss
 

o NEMESYS o

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No one has really brought up the fact that the Council members have paid for an XG website for several years now, out of their own pockets, without it ever being brought up for discussion. We have the greatest gaming community out there which has been made BY gamers FOR gamers. To continue to improve and build our community and the site, this subscription service has been made. It is in no way trying to convey that it is revenue for a business and it is going into Council members' pockets. As stated, it is going right back into our community. On top of everything, it isn't a requirement. You can still fulfill the responsibilities of your rank and use the website and forums for what you did before without being a subscriber. Just trying to offer an unbiased view here and ask you all to stop and think about it from the Council's point of view.
I agree with what your saying Carbon, however, it is not the idea of what could happen or will happen...it is the idea of where (guesstimate) the 5 dollars from each or even a quarter of the 25000 members goes. 125,000 dollars to run a Gaming website is a bit of extra wouldn't you say? That seems to be the concerns of a vast majority of the individuals here. Although I can see it from the Councils point of view, I fully believe a much more thorough explanation is in order. I am quite certain it will come as well. I also don't think that it is out of control or strange that people are asking for explanations either...these individuals dedicate ALOT of time and effort into making this community work and deserve it.
 
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